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    Filed at 8:30 am under by dcobranchi

    A brave man writes:

    Religious minority fight for equal rights

    This letter is a reply to “Faith is a choice that we shouldn’t have to defend” by Jennifer Comer (Letters to the Observer, Dec. 7).

    I’m replying to this letter for several reasons. First, as an atheist, I don’t believe that anyone is trying to cut the faith out of your (or anyone’s) life. Every story you hear about the removal of the Ten Commandments, or no preaching in class, or someone trying to block the faith-based initiatives — these stories are not about someone stripping your faith out of your life. All of these stories are about a minority group of people trying to get equal rights promised to us under the U.S. Constitution.

    As an atheist and a veteran of our military, I can promise you that I fought very hard for your right to practice whichever religion you think fits in your life. Now that I am on the civilian side of life, I find that I have to fight for my own beliefs because there aren’t many people who would give atheists equal rights when it comes to religion.

    Most atheists don’t want our children learning about your religion, just as you wouldn’t want your children to be taught someone else’s religion.

    Harold McLamb
    Lillington

    Of course, this means war will be declared on him and his.

    36 Responses to “LOTD”


    Comment by
    Lisa Giebitz
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 9:58 am

    Brave man, indeed. o_O

    I honestly think there are more non-Bible-reading Bible-thumpers and racists here that won’t keep their judgments to themselves than in my hometown in Texas.

    Pretty amazing, in its own (sick) way.


    Comment by
    Darren
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 11:55 am

    Not meaning to declare war in any way, but I think Mr. McLamb fails to make a logical distinction in his last sentence.

    “Most atheists don’t want our children learning about your religion, just as you wouldn’t want your children to be taught someone else’s religion.”

    I have no problem with my children being taught ABOUT someone else’s religion. This is different from TEACHING them religion.

    In my opinion, a stance that says it’s against education ABOUT religion is wrong-headed, whether it’s the theist or the atheist making the argument.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 1:59 pm

    Ok, here we go. I want my children to make their own choices. I am not a Bible thumper. Anyone who presumes to know me from one letter to the paper isn’t very well informed. For the record, I want my children to learn all different religions. Including yours, Mr. McLamb. Guess what? I am Native American. I embrace the belief that there is a higher power. I was raised as a Baptist and I suppose that has influenced me to believe as a Christian. My children have their own minds and they can choose for themselves.
    In this world, my main goal is for them to care about their fellow man. I certainly appreciate your service to our country. My husband is retired Air Force. I believe you are a good man. It is a hard choice to make when trying to decide what we allow in our schools. I would prefer to see all religions studied. The issue about the Bibles really wasn’t my main point. It’s just hard for me to imagine taking every aspect of any type of religion out of our lives completely. You will notice I said lives. Life is all about choices, isn’t it? Thank you for fighting for mine. Please don’t presume to know me from one simple letter. I certainly won’t judge you by yours. It just seems that lately, religion has come under attack by a lot of groups. Maybe that is just my perception.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 2:05 pm

    Oh, let me amend my comment. The paper cut Mr. McLamb’s letter.
    I agree whole heartedly that you shouldn’t have to defend your stance on religion. Everyone should have their own choice. Let’s just agree to disagree.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 3:42 pm

    Wow! Ms. Comer found this post the day it appeared. She may not be a Bible Thumper, but I believe we have pretty good evidence here that she’s an Ego-Googler. 🙂

    As for the paper cutting McLamb’s letter, I just read the dead-tree version. It appears to be identical to the FOOL (Fayetteville Observer On Line) version.

    Penultimately, I think McLamb is referring to kids being proselytized in the g-schools. The original controversy was based in an elementary school. I just don’t believe that one can reasonably teach ABOUT religions in that setting.

    And, finally, here’s the text of Ms. Comer’s letter.

    Faith is a choice that we shouldn’t have to defend

    This topic has been covered extensively by our paper. I want to ask two questions. What would have happened if Jesus (insert appropriate belief) had turned his back on us? We are supposed to have freedom of religion? I thought this was America.

    Everyone is so busy worrying about offending someone. I am not trying to offend anyone. But I am an American and I find it very offensive that our faith is being inexorably cut out of every facet of our lives. I will never judge others for their faith. Please don’t judge me for mine. We all have choices here in this country. I suppose that is still true.
    Jennifer Comer, Fayetteville


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 4:06 pm

    Oops, my bad.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 4:08 pm

    Oh, and yeah I do use Google. Pretty handy little website, isn’t it?

    ;))


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 4:23 pm

    Oh, and by the way, I didn’t search my name. I searched Mr. McLambs. Oh the assumptions we make. My last opinion on this subject. It’s been beaten to death enough.


    Comment by
    sam
    January 2nd, 2008
    at 5:42 pm

    From Ms. Comer’s letter “But I am an American and I find it very offensive that our faith is being inexorably cut out of every facet of our lives”

    No one is taking your religion away from you. What many of us ask is that you keep your religion to yourself. I have no need or desire for your religion, and I don’t need reminders of your belief system everywhere I look. At the same time, I’m more than willing to live and let live assuming all Christians were able to do the same. That, sadly, doesn’t seem to work for Christians as they insist on insisting that their religion gets top billing.


    Comment by
    Dawn
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 8:12 am

    Jennifer – Have you been denied the choice to practice religion in your home? At your church? Have you been denied the choice to homeschool for religious reasons? Access religious materials?

    The problem isn’t that religion is being cut out of life, it’s that people are getting irked when their expectation of seeing their religion everywhere they turn isn’t met. It’s proof of how saturated the US is in religion that people start howling when they see somewhere where it’s not.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 11:13 am

    Well, yes you are right. Not one single person has told me that I can’t practice my religion. That was not what I said in my letter. Everybody here should know that because of the number of times it has been quoted back to me. There are changes taking place. Some of them bother me. But instead of throwing a tantrum, I accept them. If seeing things of a religious nature bother you, then I hate to tell you, I don’t see it going away anytime soon. We do have free speech here. Every single on of us is entitled to our own opinion. Now, why in the world would someone be so intolerant. I have never in my entire life forced my belief on anybody. I personally find it a bit bothersome when others do. Does that make me any less a Christian. NO, because I don’t subscribe to the book of “I am right and you are wrong”. I absolutely don’t subscribe to the book of “If you are not of my faith, then you will burn for all eternity.”
    I’m not going to defend myself anymore here. From one simple letter that I wrote it seems many opinions about me have been derived.
    That is eveyone’s right. Do I think atheists should be condemned.
    Nope. Maybe strung from the highest tree? Nope. Know what?
    I don’t believe in prostitution but I see it every day just about. Does it bother me? Yes. But I don’t say anything to those who practice it.
    There’s a lot of things in this world I would prefer not to see. If you are alive you are going to see many things. How about we just try to teach our children some morals? Would that be a bad thing? Considering how dangerous it is for them to even go to school that might not be a bad Idea. MY OPINION. Not to be confused with the honest and absolute only way to do things. Last I checked, I only howl when the moon is full. Oh, my, someone with a sense of humor. People I know what I wrote and I don’t need it quoted back to me verbatim. Fair is fair. If we all are allowed to stand up for what we believe……maybe in fantasy land. I do not back down from my letter. I wrote it. Once again , just my opinion. That’s the end of it. Mr. McLamb replied. That’s the end of it. Shameful confession- it did make me angry at first. Now I am just tired. I think it’s high time to put this to bed. We all, each and everyone of us, fight for our rights. Good, because if we don’t, someday there just might be someone telling us what we can and can’t do. Best of luck to all and I hope everyone stays safe and sound. (oh, ond for those of y’all that are going to jump all over my comment about being finished with this, I changed my mind.) I am afraid you will have to just get over it.


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 11:56 am

    Good. Glad to hear that’s settled. So you and your fellow Christians will keep worshiping as you choose at home and in church and leave the public schools alone? Fantastic.

    Nance


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 2:27 pm

    I wouldn’t count on it Nance. You know how some things go. I’ve never had a thing to do with the schools. I can only speak for myself. I wouldn’t dare to do otherwise.

    Take care
    Jennifer


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 3:22 pm

    But, Jennifer, in your letter you come down on the side of the Christianists who would want to distribute Bibles to all of the kids in the public schools.

    Atheists do not want to take away anyone’s right to worship nor do secular humanists want to teach their “religion” in the schools. They merely want to be left alone and to have their kids attend the tax-supported public schools without being subject to proselytizing.

    It seems to me that McLamb is right. The First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion. Folks like the many who have written into the FO seem to forget that fact.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 4:17 pm

    Where did it say that I was on the side who wanted Bibles placed in schools. MY whole point was simply that I felt that it was important for those of us who do believe to be heard also. Oh, mercy, now I have learned from your very infomative blog that they have been heard way too much. One good thing, atheists are being heard also.
    This little town isn’t the first to have this controversy and it won’t be the last. Remember the gentleman who wanted the Pledge of Allegiance to be amended? That was well publicized. I do, no matter what you may think Daryl, believe that Mr. McLamb has the right to choose. I feel my letter has been misconstrued. Arrgh.
    Bye.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 5:13 pm

    Where did it say that I was on the side who wanted Bibles placed in schools.

    I believe this might reasonably be interpreted as supporting the folks who wanted to continue distributing Bibles in the elementary schools:

    But I am an American and I find it very offensive that our faith is being inexorably cut out of every facet of our lives.


    Comment by
    sam
    January 3rd, 2008
    at 8:58 pm

    Wasn’t the pledge already amended when the words “under god” were added? So removal of those words would actually be returning it to its original form. That doesn’t sound like amending to me but fixing.


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    January 4th, 2008
    at 12:53 am

    I’ve seen The Golden Compass movie twice and am now finishing my first reading of the trilogy. It’s very fresh in my mind that the “little cut” separating children from their own souls was the Magisterium’s doing, in the name of the (Church as State) Authority.

    Not the other way around.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 4th, 2008
    at 10:58 am

    2. My posts are interpreted as the reader sees fit.

    3. I do not nor have I ever supported religion of any type to be a part of the curriculum in my children’s schools. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

    4. Evolution is taught in our schools. There is scientific proof it is true. That doesn’t make me feel as if there is no God. MY choice.

    5. I am not your typical dyed in the wool Baptist.

    6. READ my posts. I have tried to make the point that I understand where you are coming from about what your rights are.

    7. I have learned a bit about your views and that is the only good thing to have come out of this.

    8. Harold, you are right. The Pledge of Allegiance (written by a free thinking) Baptist minister never contained the phrase “Under God”
    Stupidly I thought that since I had been saying it in school all those years that it did. I learned something.

    9. I do have to defend my position. I have had to defend it here more than once. Not one time has any of you stated that you understand my opinion. Perhaps it is because you don’t.

    10. I am not trying to make anyone believe the same as I.

    11. You have rights, I have rights, we all have rights. They are trampled on every single day in this country.

    12. Racial bigotry has been applied to nearly every single minority in this world. Not just aethists. Europeans discover America. They like what they see. They decide they want it. They then proceed to try to erase all evidence of my people. Did you know that this went on up until the 1940’s. William Plecker. Look him up. He corresponded with Adolph Hitler. IF you had one drop of any minority blood you were considered inferior here in this great land.
    They sterelized you against your will so that you couldn’t have any inferior children. Please forgive any spelling errors. The Potato Famine. They intentionally starved the Irish in order to send boatloads of food to places for money. They brought African Americans over in chains, seperated them from their families, and called them inferior to the white man.

    13. If I had lived during the Middle Ages, I would have probably been burned at the stake. I researched my geneaology. Two of my great aunts made their living as fortune tellers. All of you are very intelligent here. I am sure you know that we don’t use a large portion of our brain. What if- for some reason some people use portions that others don’t??? Or is that impossible. Most of the women in my family on my mothers side seem to have a heightened sense of intuition. We don’t think it is mystical or magical and we don’t think it comes from the great voice of God.

    14. I am not uneducated. Perhaps about aethism but on the whole I think I do know a little bit. I fired off that letter. No matter what is said I will not back down from being a Christian.

    15. Do I believe that all parts of the Bible are necessarily right on the money? NO.

    16. I support our military. Not the people who pull the strings. In a perfect world we would have no wars. Most wars are fought for someone’s agenda. We didn’t get involved in WWII until Pearl Harbor.
    Am I right on that? You all probably know for sure word for word.
    Do you think the United States didn’t know what was going on?

    17. America thinks it is right about everything and I THINK that is why other countries hate us so much sometimes.

    18. I am done here. Said it before I know. But this time I mean it. Harold, you’re a good man. Daryl you are too. I can say this without ever really knowing you. Because I want to believe it is so. Perhaps in your lives you have run into some zealous religious person. Perhaps that is why you are so defensive and angry.

    19. Probably it is because for so very long your rights were ignored.

    20. I am glad to live in America. Of most places, this is definitly one of the best. It scares me sometimes though when people start talking about how their group is more important than any other and I do realize Christians do it all the time.

    21. I am not saying any of you said any of these exact words. I try not to misinterpert peoples words and I try to understand where they are coming from without assuming.

    22. Now, I have more important things to do than be involved in this debate. I have three children. Oldest is autistic. We have been stared at, I have been called a bad mother etc. So see I do know about prejudice and people assuming things Middle child is bipolar/ADHD. I have a ten year old daughter. My sons are from my first marriage. My daughter is from this one. Does that say anything about genetics? A very well respected pediatric neurologist said that it did. I adapt my life. You can’t do everything normally with my children. This is a long post. Obviously I have the time to do this, Huh? I was told when my son was diagnosed that he would never speak. He was severly autistic and that he was severly mentally retarded. Oh, poor me. NO, I accepted that he was autistic, but I fought with everything I had to help him. Today he is eighteen years old. He speaks, he goes to some regular classrooms. He knows more about some things than I. You all go ahead and fight the good
    fight. Fight hard for what you believe. That’s important no matter what side you are coming from. Harold I am curious which war you fought for my rights. I don’t know when you served. I confess I don’t know much about military history. I won’t know the answer you give. Were you drafted? Or did you enlist? To me that’s apples to oranges. I deleted number one because on second thought it seemed unfair to me. And so now I will go away and leave you alone. Did any of you print out a copy of my poor letter? Naw, it wasn’t that important anyway. But it sure got a rise out of you folk.


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    January 4th, 2008
    at 5:02 pm

    You are a very confusing person to read, Jennifer. Even with numbers.

    Nance


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    January 4th, 2008
    at 6:43 pm

    I gave up at “racial bigotry” against atheists. Huh?


    Comment by
    NMcV
    January 5th, 2008
    at 11:19 pm

    I think we’ve learned that Ms. Comer has a difficulty with following the thread of a discussion.

    She doesn’t understand that when she wrote that LttE, she was joining in an already ongoing discussion that began with the placing of Christian Bibles in a public school and the pressure placed on one child who (at first) declined to take one.

    Thus she has taken a side, and doesn’t even know it.

    Not understanding this, she makes guesses and/or assumptions about why people here are responding as they are. She then defends herself what she falsely believes is being attacked: mainly, her faith.

    Most of her numbered argeuments are incredibly irrelevant. Evolution? Baptists? WW2? And whay is she addressing questions to Harold McLamb here on Daryl’s blog?

    Her last paragraph is probably more relevant than she realizes, though. ADD is genetic.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 20th, 2008
    at 8:42 pm

    ADD and ADHD are two similar but different conditions. Talk about confusing. You all are too political for me. Did anyone read the letter that was in the paper the other day addressing Mr. McLambs letter? I think that was more of what I was trying to say. I must admit I do tend to ramble. My point was simply this…. the First Amendment doesn’t work very well. And simply that many groups of people have been persecuted at one time or the other. Which is totallly NOT what you guys meant about being atheist. Also I think the pastor’s letter was very well written and concise. Admittedly I am not very good at writing “essays”. But anyone who almost had a perfect score on her college entrance exams is not ADD. I lacked three points for it to have been perfect. GO ME. Teasing. But I am still proud of that score. My ex-husband’s side of the family has the history of ADHD. It seems that this blog is all about how bad you can make someone else feel about their posts and opinions. I held off reading the responses to my post for that reason. I try very hard to live my life responsibly and to teach my children to do the same. It is so hard. I wish that a lot of people would learn tolerance.
    It seems that there is intolerance on both sides of the fence. Two things one should never discuss- religion and politics. Boy, did I ever learn that lesson.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 20th, 2008
    at 9:32 pm

    The 1st Amendment doesn’t work well? In what regard? If religious folks wouldn’t keep violating it perhaps it would work better.

    And we discuss religion,politics and education around here. That’s the blog’s raison d’être.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 20th, 2008
    at 9:53 pm

    You said it. The religious folks won’t let it do it’s job. Sigh. Believe it or not I do understand your last sentence. So, some of us religious folks are slightly educated. BIG BIG GRIN. You have a great blog here, I just don’t seem tofit in though. I thought your blog was about homeschooling? I’d love to learn more about that. But there seems to be more discussion about other things. It’s your blog though so you go! Have fun y’all.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 20th, 2008
    at 10:17 pm

    Let me clarify one thing- I did not say that atheists were subject to racial bigotry. But I do think they are subject to bigotry on the whole.
    And, with everthing else, getting infuriated about all of this is just plain ridiculous. If I could make this point, which is what I was trying to do in the first place. Lots of groups have been discriminated against. That was all I was trying to say. AND please tell me which war was fought for our religious freedom???? Only one that I believe. The Revolution. That was what the WWII comments were about. That war wasn’t really fought for religious freedom. We let it go on until Pearl Harbor. We did of course send supplies to those who were fighting before we became envolved. We fought together for once to stop a madman. I have no trouble following threads, but some seem to have trouble putting two and two together. Oh and I am sorry for addressing Mr. McLamb here. My mistake. At least I can admit my mistakes. My husband was on one of the first planes out of Pope during Desert Storm. He was the last to come home. I am a little touchy about this stuff. Oil. And lastlly,
    did we resolve anything in our other wars? How many of our people fought and died (not for my religious freedom). How many more will? That comment really got my goat. This is a rant. And as far as I know, Mr. McLamb doesn’t take part here. See, Christians get angry too. Nobody’s perfect although some think they are. So to be perfectly clear, I am not directing the biggest part of this to anyone on the blog. I wish I knew when to shut my mouth.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 20th, 2008
    at 11:36 pm

    Ok, now I have an excuse. I am ADD and we all know that people with this disorder can’t keep a coherent thought track at all. Religion-
    My thoughts. As a person matures and begans to experience life they make their own decisions about belief. I was raised Baptist. Plain old Baptist. I am from West Virginia. OH NO, not one of those uneducated hillbillies. I am so proud of my people. They fought against unimaginable conditions and they survived. I come from a very long line of hill people. We are strong and we will survive. So very sorry if my letter made it seem like I came down on the Bilbes in schools side. May all of you forgive me. I choose to believe what I believe. I believe in a Creator. Look at it any way you want to. So what if you don’t? That’s your choice. My father was a minister for thirty years. He was an alcoholic. So help me, if believing in God helped him to quit drinking than who am I to say he was wrong????
    I lost my father in 2004 on Valentines Day. I was devastated. Well you know what. I needed a little, no really , a lot of help to get through that one. Condemn me for turning to God. Go ahead. I just don’t care. Everybody has their own reasons for what they do.
    I have a real problem with people who think they can take other’s lives, cheat, lie and just generally do whatever they want. Then when they realize they are dying, out of fear??, they decide maybe there just might be something else. Tonight seems to be the night.

    No, you didn’t attack my religion. No you didn’t say I couldn’t choose to practice one. But it was said that some were tired of seeing evidence of my faith everywhere. What next? Shut down all the churches, ban crosses, eliminate it all!!!! Well my dears, it is just as that lady, whose name escapes me, ADD you know, you will never be able to take my belief from me just as I will never be able to take your lack of belief from you. I wonder what happened to you Daryl.
    I read some of your very first posts on your first blog. Were you ever a Baptist? Or was that just sarcasm. Yep, I googled you.

    Shame on me. I just wanted to know you a little better. Now I don’t think thats a very good idea.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 21st, 2008
    at 5:44 am

    Now the game is afoot. 🙂

    But it was said that some were tired of seeing evidence of my faith everywhere.

    That was Sam. I happen to disagree with him on that point. PDR (Public Displays of Religiosity) are fine. As long as them are private PDRs. The State cannot endorse or support them. They cannot be paid for by my tax dollars. And they absolutely cannot involve the public schools.

    I wonder what happened to you Daryl.
    I read some of your very first posts on your first blog. Were you ever a Baptist? Or was that just sarcasm.

    Born and raised Catholic. Married an MK (SBC). Joined a Baptist church. The early posts were not sarcasm. I still attend an SBC church on occasion. Or, I did, until this past week. Last week the sermon was on Bibles in the schools. Yeah, this very case. The preacher called for Christians to “stand up and overturn the law.” I walked out in the middle of the sermon and, later, had a somewhat heated email exchange with him. I eventually “quit.”

    I might not believe in God, but I do believe in the Constitution. The 1st Amendment is what protects your right to worship as you see fit. It also protects the kids in the schools from being pressured to take Bibles placed there by the Gideons.

    The preacher did not seem to understand that point.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 21st, 2008
    at 10:22 am

    Noone should be pressured into doing something, especially a child.
    Daryl this is the first post from you that I actually find pleasant to read. I am not sure the child was pressured. I read several comments on Fayetteville Observer’s blog that were conflicting as to whether or not the child was made fun of. I’ll look it up. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. I would be spitting mad if someone did that to my child. I read over the First Amendment too. I am so ashamed that I haven’t educated myself a little better concerning these matters. I hope that some of my trying to clarify earlier posts was/is understood. When we speak of aethists as being a minority, then I just think it is safe to assume that they face some of the discrimination that other minorities have at one time or the other faced. It is a different situation certainly since it concerns the freedom to believe as you wish. This is a little off the topic of this thread but I found it so humorous I just wanted to share it. There was a documentary on Hillbillies that observed that WV is the only state where snake handling is still legal as part of a religious gathering. Well, they’ve got that First Amendment on their side. But, if I see a poisonous snake I will run first and ask questions later.
    Also I wanted to tell you that your daughter is beautiful and I wish her all the best. My daughter is my joy. Children are wonderfull.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 21st, 2008
    at 10:41 am

    Oops, I didn’t read all of your post. I agree that our tax dollars should absolutely not be spent in a religious capacity. And I know it was Sam too. I just didn’t want to name names. It’s ok. All I want is peace in my life. Healthy debate is a good thing. But I don’t want to get nasty and argue until the end of time. Does it shock anyone here that I don’t attend a church? Well I don’t. Because I do not like any man telling me how to believe and what I can and can’t do. I just might burn. LOL. Boy do I ever ramble on huh? After all this public outcry, I don’t think we here in Fayetteville have to worry about Bibles being placed in schools. So that is one thing that is settled.
    I must say to my great relief it is over. And now there is a meeting place for aethists right here in Fayetteville. They have a website and I look forward to seeing how it grows in the future. May we all have a safe and happy year.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 21st, 2008
    at 10:52 am

    Yeah, he was pressured. His mom has posted here several times.

    There’s a mtg place for atheists in FAY? Where? Surely not HE&OS. This blog is international in scope. 🙂 Seriously, the folks who hang out here are from all over the US and Canada. And it’s not only for atheists. Everyone is welcome. Of course, anyone who spouts unscientific magical thinking will be hounded mercilessly.

    I don’t cotton (to use a Southern colloquialism) to folks who talk nonsense about creationism, especially the YEC flavor.

    Finally, if you really have questions about home education, ask away. I think nearly everyone who hangs out here is a homeschooling parent.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 21st, 2008
    at 3:48 pm

    No it’s actually not here Daryl. A lady got it started, not long ago. Just go to google, LOL it can find anything. Ok, now my questions about homeschooling. Is it terribly difficult to get started? What do you have to do so that it is recognized by the education system? In other words what is the criteria that must be met for your child to receive a diploma. Do you find it difficult to homeschool or would you consider it much better than a public school? Safety concerns aside. Since my middle child started 6th through 8th grades I have been very aggravated by the public school system and would really be interested in other alternatives. Thanks


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 21st, 2008
    at 4:08 pm

    Oh, YEC. Please tell me I am not one of those. That belief is certainly not part of me. Dang. Everything was created the same as it is now???? No way. What’s wrong with magical thinking? I like it. I like science too. I ain’t no simple person. Speaking Southern here. I can speak Yankee too. ROFLMAO. Whoops, said a bad word. Seriously, you guys educate me about homeschooling. ‘Kay


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 21st, 2008
    at 4:15 pm

    No it’s actually not here Daryl. A lady got it started, not long ago.

    Not in this thread. Her name is Geri Weaver. If you enter “Bibles” in the search box in the left sidebar and then click through the comments on the first few posts you’ll find her name.

    Is it terribly difficult to get started?

    Legally, it’s a piece of cake to get started. File a Notice of Intent with the DNPE. Pull your kid out. Of course, the real “work” of homeschooling is a bit more than that. But that’s the legal requirement.

    What do you have to do so that it is recognized by the education system? In other words what is the criteria that must be met for your child to receive a diploma.

    You decide what constitutes an acceptable level of performance in order to graduate. There are no tests to pass, no grades to record, no real requirements at all.

    Do you find it difficult to homeschool or would you consider it much better than a public school?

    You’d have to ask my wife about the difficulty. I’m just the bacon-bringer-homer. As for the comparison with the public schools, this is our 7th year. If we didn’t think it better we could have sent them to the “free” public schools long ago.


    Comment by
    Jennifer Comer
    January 21st, 2008
    at 6:12 pm

    Daryl,
    This is a totally seperate website I am talking about. Nothing to do with Geri. The lady who started the association is not associated in any way with this blog. I didn’t realize you had been homeschooling for seven years. Thank you for the info. I am going to look into it. If I have to stay home, I would like to feel as if I am doing something to better my children’s lives. . Please be nice, I am just trying to learn. “If I didn’t think it was better we could have sent them to the “free” public schools long ago.” That seemed a little harsh. At least it did to me. I totally get it that you think public schools are shall we say “Very useless in most areas”. But anyway I will do some research myself. I wanted to ask you because you seem to be very well informed about a lot of issues. Something about this blog just doesn’t sit well with me. But free speech is very important and I DON”T want to start another fight. Or debate or whatever you call it. Books and the internet should help me a little. Thank you for your time.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    January 21st, 2008
    at 6:29 pm

    That seemed a little harsh. At least it did to me.

    Sorry. Wasn’t meant to be. To re-phrase– Yeah, it’s better. Better for the kids. Better for the family.