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    Filed at 4:50 pm under by dcobranchi

    I got into an argument with two very low-information (maybe) voters last night. It started with the typical right-wing smear about Obama being a Muslim who wants to turn the USA into a Muslim nation. I attempted to whack that particular mole down, but then another popped up that I just couldn’t even respond to.

    One of the women’s husband is military. She told me that she doesn’t really like the war but didn’t want it to end yet because he makes more money when he’s deployed and she wanted to catch up on their bills.

    13 Responses to “SICK THINGS”


    Comment by
    Rob
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 5:46 pm

    More like the typical right-wing self-absorbed damn idiot smear.
    I’m not military, but we probably know a dozen or more military wives – all of them quite conservative. We’ve never heard anything like that second part. All are counting the days until the deployment ends, and praying there’s not another one.


    Comment by
    COD
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 5:58 pm

    Maybe she is screwing around on him? That would be a much more believable reason than the $225 a month that he gets for combat pay.


    Comment by
    John
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 6:07 pm

    An inevitable consequence of providing additional remuneration as an incentive for deployments is that some people will (a) see that remuneration as an incentive to deploy and (b) spend that money before they receive it.

    The British forces have only recently added deployment bonuses to the remuneration package, and in far smaller proportion than their US and Canadian counterparts, but I can attest that at least in the case of the latter, the money does encourage people to re-deploy.

    I remain on the fence, with regard to operational bonues. Why are we so squeamish about our soldiers killing for money, as opposed to ideals?


    Comment by
    John
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 6:11 pm

    COD – Its not just combat pay – don’t forget tax free status and overseas pay.


    Comment by
    COD
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 6:23 pm

    Good point John. My dad was USAF and hated it. However, this was in the 70s when they were offering up 25%+ of your annual pay as a re-up bonus, and he did it several times.


    Comment by
    Alasandra
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 7:41 pm

    She does realize he could be killed while he is deployed, is that really worth the extra $$$$? It wouldn’t be to me, but then I am rather fond of my Hubby.


    Comment by
    Lisa Giebitz
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 7:44 pm

    Are you serious? Daryl, if I had been there, I’d have torn her a new one.

    While the extra pay during deployment is appropriate considering the amount of shit that has to be put up with, I try to keep abreast of the big picture.

    How freaking self-centered can you get? Oh, well, apparently you can think that continuing to get a little extra pay is worth the ongoing cost in the blood of others. Real fucking classy.

    And for the record, I am also a military spouse and we also have some debt.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 8:35 pm

    Yeah, true story.

    I told her that was “sick.” I wanted to saying “fucking sick” but held my tongue.


    Comment by
    don
    September 22nd, 2008
    at 9:47 pm

    I think I would have responded something like:

    “Why not go for the big bucks? Maybe he’ll be killed in combat and you can collect on his life insurance.”


    Comment by
    Heather
    September 23rd, 2008
    at 12:45 pm

    I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that from military wives – most of them decent, reasonable people. When my own husband was in the military, we had a conversation about the “what if’s” and he gave me that line about extra pay. He also said if he were killed in combat, we’d get a huge life insurance payout from the govt. None of this comforted me, but that was what he was going for. Maybe when women say this sort of thing, it comes from similar conversations with their husbands? Maybe it’s the only GOOD thing they can think of, so making money a priority makes it easier to deal with?


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    September 23rd, 2008
    at 1:06 pm

    Somebody should let her know that the piddly difference in pay — $225 tax free is still shit; unless being overseas makes a huge difference — isn’t going to catch anyone up on their bills.

    Nance


    Comment by
    John
    September 24th, 2008
    at 4:06 pm

    Nance, its not just the $225 thats tax free – its all of it. The pay, the overseas pay, the combat pay etc. It adds up to a substatial difference. I cannot comment directly on US pay, but at least in Canada, Warrant Officers (the equivalent of the US Master Sgt, not necessarily the US WO) could bring home between 10 and 20 thousand extra for a six month tour. I would imagine the longer US tours attract even more. In the British forces, with no tax free status, the bonuses can add up to about $2000 dollars, after tax.

    Whatever the amount, however, whilst I can understand a desire to deploy for the money, I think a desire to see the war continue is inexcusable.

    On the other hand, an immediate or rapid withdrawl might not be be morally justified either. (I will make the assumption that everyone agrees that an end to large scale violence for all is better than a unilateral withdrawl leading to more violence – if that is indeed what would happen).


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    September 25th, 2008
    at 8:25 am

    could bring home between 10 and 20 thousand extra for a six month tour.

    **

    Well, that would pay something off. Including a really nice funeral.

    If we knew what was going to happen when we withdraw, it would be an easy call.

    But we must withdraw. We cannot continue to occupy another country.

    After all, Wall Street needs our money now.

    Maybe we could squeeze some money out of the $700B for first-class tickets for the troops to come home.

    Nance