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MEANWHILE OVER ON MY OTHER BLOG

Filed at 5:54 pm under by dcobranchi

I blast my friend the editor for calling for 2 years of compulsory service by recent HS grads. Feel free to come over and blast him (or me), too.

8 Responses to “MEANWHILE OVER ON MY OTHER BLOG”


Comment by
darlene
February 3rd, 2009
at 7:30 am

A righteous blast!

I left a comment there.


Comment by
ElectricBarbarella
February 3rd, 2009
at 8:16 am

Daryl,

For graduation requirements, here in Florida, we have a 75 hour (by graduation) **requirement** in order to even be considered for scholarship.

While I do agree with you on the choice of words used (compel vs say, ask nicely), I wonder just how bad this really is? Again, not the whole “we will force you part”–don’t agree with force. But making it a condition of graduation for them to do some type of community service isn’t a bad thing, is it really? (and again, not force and certainly not military)..

Maybe with something like ROTC, instead of leaving it up to the student to say “I’ll choose ROTC, then that gets me into the service when I graduate”–they can ask the student “Ok, here are your choices, 75 outside the school hours of community service in one of these places OR a year of ROTC at the school OR something else OR something else”..

see where I am going with this? I only think it wouldn’t be a bad thing simply because, at least in my area, the kids are spoiled brats who don’t know proper manners from proper behavior as their parents obviously didn’t teach them this, and since I want my girls growing up to be able to work *with* these idiots, then maybe a little step up on the schools/communities part to help them achieve this learning is a good thing.

I don’t know if I am explaining it right, but….


Comment by
COD
February 3rd, 2009
at 2:56 pm

//in my area, the kids are spoiled brats who don’t know proper manners from proper behavior as their parents obviously didn’t teach them this//

And you think the government will be more successful at teaching them manners?


Comment by
ElectricBarbarella
February 3rd, 2009
at 5:32 pm

Military–yes with the caveat that there are extremes to both sides.

Also, I believe claiming the government is teaching them the manners is sort of backwards. It isn’t the government teaching them anything, but instead the government is stating that they should do “xyz” prior to graduation, then “xyz” is the one “teaching” (quotes because they aren’t actually educating, just teaching by example) these “morals”.

I’m thinking specifically of standard volunteering duties such as nursing homes, reading tutors, ranch hands(like my daughter, though she now gets paid)–things like that DO teach a multitude of morals and other issues that are very good for life lessons.

My daughter started out as a volunteer at our local ranch. It not only taught her humility (as in–shoveling manure), but also taught her how to properly care for large farm type animals , maintain the business end of the stables, etc… the things (GOOD) things she has learned from working there (both as a volunteer and now paid) have far surpassed my expectations. She is now a much better child for having learned that people (and animals) other than herself exist in this world (she is 16 after all, grin).

She has one horse who adores her. He is her favorite and the two of them are like best buds. This is a horse that was ornery and mean to anyone else until she learned how to properly care for him. Now he actually responds to her voice and her care/hand. My situation is not unique, I am sure someone like Doc could say the same about her children.

But our situations when compared to that of the public schools, ARE unique and since we are the unique ones (and most likely do these things anyway with our kids), it behooves us to help those that are not in our situation. Those parents aren’t like us and a little bit of hard work for these kids could very well be the difference between them junked up on the streets in the future and working hard at a decent job (yes, I too can wax hyperbolic, heheh).

That’s all I’m saying.


Comment by
dcobranchi
February 3rd, 2009
at 5:57 pm

You’ll note that the editorial didn’t call for this “service” to only apply to g-schoolers. Our kids would get drafted, too.


Comment by
ElectricBarbarella
February 3rd, 2009
at 6:03 pm

hmm, I speak only for myself when I say this, ok? But I’ve met a few homeschoolers in my area that could use a little lesson on “thou shalt not” … thinking specifically of one family I know where the children do zero chores and think they are the center of mom and dad’s world, getting anything they want.

however, this example, I truly believe is one of those “one in a million” examples, which means, this piece of legislation or this espousing of word won’t fly with regular, generally civic minded, homeschoolers.

So I can see how one would get angry at it for US, seeing as how nearly all of us do this anyway.

Point taken. I was speaking simply for the g-schoolers, Daryl. 🙂


Comment by
speedwell
February 4th, 2009
at 7:33 pm

Slice it however you like, EB, the whole idea is basically illegal servitude (hello, coerced unpaid work to the profit and at the direction of someone besides themselves?). What would you do if a kid refused? Jail him? Fine him? Add to the sentence of forced labor you would already make him do?

If your intention was truly to benefit the child instead of the recipients of his forced labor, you’d encourage him to participate in positive activities of his own choice, not use him as another beast of burden in your own public goody-goody social pyramid-building schemes.


Comment by
speedwell
February 4th, 2009
at 7:35 pm

By the way, EB, your anti-child backside is showing. Your whole message is essentially “those goddamn hellions need to be put in their place.” Do they need to stay off your lawn, too?