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    Filed at 3:18 am under by dcobranchi

    NCHE has evidently been co-opted. From one of the leaders of the North Carolinians for Home Education:

    I read Miss Dawns email and opinion/experiences in MD in regards to following the law to the letter. As a member of the NCHE board of directors, I thought I may shed a little different light on the matter. Ultimately, I believe it could be a catch22.

    1. NCHE, unlike HSLDA, has a long standing, good relationship with not only the DNPE but MANY legislators in the NC Senate and House. It was due to these relationships that we get early warnings on any potential changes to homeschool requirements in NC and then NCHE “nips them in the bud”, so to speak. This occurred just a year ago when NCHE got word from our friends in the House and Senate that the Governors Budget was going to put DNPE under the Public School umbrella. NCHE mobilized homeschoolers throughout the state, who responded by flooding the legislators emails and phones with calls. Just as important, according to the legislators, was that when they asked us to stop because they got the message, NC homeschoolers stopped in days, vs. weeks. This impressed the legislators the most and they told NCHE how impressed they were with the homeschool movement in NC. I believe this is different from the environment that was in MD and prevent a similar fate.

    NCHE should not be relying on friendly legislators to “tip them off.” It should be developing its own resources to monitor legislation. Yes, having allies is nice. Betting the farm on them, particularly if you have to roll over in order to do so, is just plain stupid.

    2. Although, you mention you have nothing to hide (most of us don’t), the legislators who don’t like homeschoolers would be even more suspicious of us if DNPE did not have the voluntary test results and attendance records at hand. NCHE has been told by inside sources that because a majority of NC homeschoolers do submit voluntarily, it gives ammo for the pro-homeschool legislators to fight for us and “prove” that homeschoolers have nothing to hide and they are educating their children (usually better than any public or private school). HSLDA is right on what the law states, but in order to avoid the scenario you presented, we believe this voluntary submission keeps DNPE in a friendly vs. adversary role when legislators call that office.

    So, our allies like us to be good little homeschoolers because it makes their jobs so much easier.

    3. DNPE has hired several new staffers whose job will be to visit homeschools who do not submit voluntarily. I agree there are too many for them to visit all those who request it. However, being they are a government agency, if they observe anything contrary to government reg on school conditions, children’s health, etc…there is a good chance they would report such info to social services and then all the hassles that go with such involvement would occur. Of course HSLDA would be there to support us….but why risk this?

    I apologize to Scott Somerville and HSLDA for all of my previous “sheeple” comments. I can’t imagine HSLDA going this far. This is scaremongering at its absolute worst. And from a home education advocate. An official in the group that purports to represent all home educators in the state. Bah!

    4. NC has one of the easiest homeschool laws on the books

    Utter bullshit! NC’s laws are middle of the road, at best.

    and thanks to our relationships, NCHE legal staff and lobbyist, we have the “option” to be inspected by mail or by personal visit. The personal visit costs DNPE money and they would prefer not to do them.

    Yes, I’m sure that it is inconvenient for the state educrats to drive all over the state checking to make sure that we’ve been good little homeschoolers. Perhaps if NCHE wasn’t encouraging people to over-comply, DNPE might throw up its hands and we could get the law changed. More freedom! Nah! We wouldn’t want that.

    However, there is a trend for people not to”work with DNPE” on voluntary submission

    Let’s hope so.

    so people who are following the law to the letter, may cause what they fear….new laws and requirements, something we at NCHE are actively trying to avoid at all costs…as noted above.

    And if the State tries to impose new regs, go to war! Jeez, what a bunch of complascent “leaders.”

    Anyway, we probably have to agree to disagree on this matter but I thought you would be interested in another viewpoint and some background. Please email or call me if you want to discuss further.

    Scott Anderson, Reg 10 Director, Greenville, NC


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    July 10th, 2006
    at 12:19 pm


    Just curious– As this is only the end of our 1st year home educating in NC, what can we expect from DNPE?

    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    July 10th, 2006
    at 5:52 pm

    So this is what is actually, legally required? Test scores.

    Not exactly.

    § 115C‑557. Standardized testing requirements.

    Each qualified nonpublic school shall administer, at least once in each school year, a nationally standardized test or other nationally standardized equivalent measurement selected by the chief administrative officer of such school, to all students enrolled or regularly attending grades three, six and nine. The nationally standardized test or other equivalent measurement selected must measure achievement in the areas of English grammar, reading, spelling and mathematics. Each school shall make and maintain records of the results achieved by its students. For one year after the testing, all records shall be made available, subject to G.S. 115C‑174.13, at the principal office of such school, at all reasonable times, for annual inspection by a duly authorized representative of the State of North Carolina.

    § 115C‑174.13. Public records exemption.

    Any written material containing the identifiable scores of individual students on any test taken pursuant to the provisions of this Article is not a public record within the meaning of G.S. 132‑1 and shall not be made public by any person, except as permitted under the provisions of the Family Educational and Privacy Rights Act of 1974, 20 U.S.C. 1232g. (1977, c. 522, s. 7; c. 541, s. 8; 1981, c. 423, s. 1; 1985 (Reg. Sess., 1986), c. 1014, s. 74(a).)

    As I read this, the scores themselves would be off-limits to DNPE. We merely have to prove that we administered the test. A cancelled check to the testing agency should suffice.

    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    July 10th, 2006
    at 7:51 pm


    Homeschools have to test every year.

    And I hope that HE&OS is doing its small bit to dispel the misapprehensions that seem to abound in this state.


    I’d love to see what would happen if we didn’t over-comply. I believe I wrote something similar at the top of this thread.

    Perhaps if NCHE wasn’t encouraging people to over-comply, DNPE might throw up its hands and we could get the law changed. More freedom! Nah! We wouldn’t want that.

    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    July 11th, 2006
    at 1:43 am

    The perfect solution, courtesy of the DNPE:

    I lost/misplaced my annual August mailing from DNPE. Can DNPE send me another or a part of it? Unfortunately not. Even though the number of home schools continues to rise each year (along with US Postal Service postage rate increases from time to time), the DNPE budget has not been expanded proportionately. Consequently, we are no longer able to send replacements. Simply forget about this year’s mailing and watch for next August’s mailing.

    I realize I’ve prospectively lost my card for the next 10 years. Drat!

    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    July 14th, 2006
    at 6:29 am

    That’s a bit too far down in the weeds of homeschooling laws for me to have a good feel for. But I do know that it varies by state. Here in NC, for example, we can have kids from two different families taught by one of the parents. Beyond that, I guess, and you’re a private school with all of the requisite regs.