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    Filed at 5:20 am under by dcobranchi

    This one is horrific.

    39 Responses to “ANOTHER SAFE SCHOOL”


    Comment by
    Andrea
    June 4th, 2009
    at 6:15 am

    Got contacted yesterday by a parent looking to homeschool because a teacher is taking too much interest in their child.

    police say “thanks, now he’s on our rader” cuz the behavior was inappropriate but not technically illegal.

    School says “accusations unfounded!”

    Figures.


    Comment by
    Rejeanne
    June 4th, 2009
    at 9:17 am

    I hope these teens get convicted for their crimes and serve the maximum sentence.


    Comment by
    Rob
    June 4th, 2009
    at 10:18 am

    In the last week here in ColSpgs, we had two people accused of child sex abuse make the news. One jumped off a bridge to his death, one was found shot to death in a park.

    We’re having a hard time finding someone to shed any tears over them.


    Comment by
    COD
    June 4th, 2009
    at 10:45 am

    Of course Rob, because the accused in this country are always guilty.


    Comment by
    tony
    June 4th, 2009
    at 4:08 pm

    First off, the (government) needs to clarify TO EVERYONE, what exactly is the definition of sex abuse. Why? Because it wouldn’t be exactly fair to label someone a sexual deviant just because he dated a 16 year old girl (when he himself was 18); but something like that can be construed as sex abuse in different areas of the US. After all, there are parts of the world where girls younger than 16 are already having children and constructing families. When I was just a young teenage boy of 14 there was a neighborhood lady of 28 years old that introduced me several times to the ecstasies of carnal knowledge; To this day I thank her for it (without actually seeing her). I don’t believe that is sex abuse.


    Comment by
    Kev
    June 4th, 2009
    at 4:51 pm

    I feel for the child and the scum that did this should get jail time……I just hope the victim is a white kid or otherwise they might get off scott free. It happens so much you gotta wonder.


    Comment by
    COD
    June 4th, 2009
    at 9:40 pm

    You gotta stop linking to CNN articles – it brings the crazies over here.


    Comment by
    Rob
    June 5th, 2009
    at 11:30 am

    So, I come over here to see how the other side lives and thinks. COD’s response to me was fine and valid – yeah, courts are better than vigilante justice, because if we’re gonna make a mistake, you’d think it’s better to err on the side of letting the guilty go free than punishing the innocent (especially when talking death penalty).

    But where do y’all stand on Tony’s post? Does everyone else here see no problem with handing off your 14 yr old kid to an older sex partner? Does anyone make such an education part of their kid’s curriculum?

    Rob


    Comment by
    COD
    June 5th, 2009
    at 12:05 pm

    Tony is one of the crazies I am referring to in my comment. Anytime Daryl blogs about something on CNN.com the comments here get much more “interesting.”


    Comment by
    dcobranchi
    June 5th, 2009
    at 12:14 pm

    Entertainment value.


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 5th, 2009
    at 1:35 pm

    But where do y’all stand on Tony’s post? Does everyone else here see no problem with handing off your 14 yr old kid to an older sex partner? Does anyone make such an education part of their kid’s curriculum?

    Rob

    ***********

    Was that his point? I thought he just wanted to swap dirty stories.

    Nance


    Comment by
    dcobranchi
    June 5th, 2009
    at 1:54 pm

    But where do y’all stand on Tony’s post? Does everyone else here see no problem with handing off your 14 yr old kid to an older sex partner? Does anyone make such an education part of their kid’s curriculum?

    I pimp my girls out when the hit their teen years. Gets them ready in case they ever decide to go to the local g-school.

    Really, Rob. Are those serious questions?


    Comment by
    Rob
    June 5th, 2009
    at 2:14 pm

    I was fairly certain that y’all do not follow tony’s line of reasoning. But I was so totally blown away by everyone’s reaction to cops having tasers, so I just don’t assume anything any more.

    Rob
    (Once stood less than a foot away from a lady opining about how abortion should be legal within the kid’s first year of life.)


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 5th, 2009
    at 8:16 pm

    And what does that demonstrate, Rob? That there are crazy people near and far. It says absolutely nothing about what most pro-choice people think. As you well know. But it makes a nasty tag line.

    Nance


    Comment by
    dcobranchi
    June 5th, 2009
    at 8:54 pm

    But I was so totally blown away by everyone’s reaction to cops having tasers, so I just don’t assume anything any more.

    And because we’re opposed to the State torturing folks with 50,000 V we’re supposed to be in favor of child sex abuse? WTF are you smoking!?


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 6th, 2009
    at 9:05 am

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    That links to a blog post about the shades of opinion people have about choice.

    The blog itself, and the poster, lean right as far as I have noticed but this caught my eye as a clear presentation.

    The comments, as they usually do on that blog, get a bit full of themselves. 🙂

    Nance


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 6th, 2009
    at 12:45 pm

    Well, it’s no Ronald Dworkin in Life’s Dominion or bioethicist Hilde Lindemann’s To Be a Mother, but yeah, not too bad for just some guy who is better than an idiot yet completely ignores what true pro-life ethics are at the other end of adult life (our right not to have our “life” infantalized like Terri Schiavo e.g. ) and hasn’t yet factored in that MEN aren’t equivalently pro-life until they demand laws requiring every man to forfeit one kidney to anybody who needs one . . .maybe two if the other life is really desperate.

    And how many men (sorry guys here, but really) know what THIS is like?? It’s real life all right.

    Disobedience
    Hilde Lindemann

    Okay, the large signs in bars telling pregnant women not to drink alcohol were bad enough, especially when you consider that there is no medical evidence whatsoever that one or even two glasses of wine or beer a day does the fetus any harm. The woman would have to be falling-off-the-barstool drunk, repeatedly, in the earliest stages of her pregnancy for the alcohol that crosses the placental barrier to have teratogenic effects, yet there are bartenders who refuse to serve women who are visibly pregnant, and I know of at least one instance in which a patron sitting at another table walked over to a pregnant woman and took the glass out of her hand.

    [The issue is] heightened public scrutiny of its future birthgiver’s behavior: for the past twenty-five years or thereabouts, pregnant women have been monitored and admonished as never before.

    So, as a matter of fact, have nonpregnant women. . .

    So, he does a better job than most, I agree Nance — but not nearly good enough for real life, not my real life or my daughter’s, not yet.


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 6th, 2009
    at 12:51 pm

    I think the links got swapped; “Disobedience” should be here.


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 6th, 2009
    at 3:39 pm

    Well, he is, at the end of the day, anti-choice, JJ. But for someone who feels they have some right to any sort of say, he at least seemed to understand that some of his brethren go way over the line. And that we don’t really have a good way to discuss all of this.

    I really enjoyed the “Tp Be A Mother” piece. Excellent except for the notion that the bulk of childcare falls on women, as if that is the only way. It is real world but it doesn’t have to be. OTOH, it reminds me of the anti-choicers’ insistence that they will help a woman take care of a baby. Riiiight. . .

    Nance


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 6th, 2009
    at 3:56 pm

    As long as Daryl will tolerate us hijacking his thread, let us remember the pregnant woman still DOES bear 100% of the physical care burden at least through birth! 😉

    And Lindemann has another whole essay you might like on how helping mom bear the care burden is mainly social lip service — Shotgun Weddings


    Comment by
    dcobranchi
    June 6th, 2009
    at 4:05 pm

    Hijack away! 🙂


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 6th, 2009
    at 5:08 pm

    In that case, I did like Nance’s link compared to the wild rantings much less the incitements to violence and the anti-science of too many other “analyses.”. The blogger honestly even sounded like Dworkin in some places. So I’m glad she found it and I did read it carefully and appreciate it as she did; any progress beyond absolutes should be celebrated . . .


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 6th, 2009
    at 8:07 pm

    Another piece to the puzzle was a mention, I think at Culture Kitchen — in the comments?, of surveys done that show how human the reaction is among anti-choice advocates when it is their own daughter who needs the abortion. Suddenly, it is a matter of privacy and choice and the impact a baby has on a young life.

    Which is not to point to hypocrisy as much as to say that that is a pretty basic message — it could happen to you — and it hasn’t gotten through on some fundamental level. If that doesn’t occur to you before it actually happens to you we aren’t communicating.

    Nance


    Comment by
    COD
    June 8th, 2009
    at 10:04 am

    The reason you really see me involved in an abortion discussion is that I think men should generally STFU about the subject.


    Comment by
    COD
    June 8th, 2009
    at 10:37 am

    That should be rarely see me…


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 8th, 2009
    at 2:30 pm

    Only this subject? 🙂

    Nance


    Comment by
    Rob
    June 8th, 2009
    at 3:59 pm

    Rob: (Once stood less than a foot away from a lady opining about how abortion should be legal within the kid’s first year of life.)

    Nance: And what does that demonstrate, Rob? That there are crazy people near and far. It says absolutely nothing about what most pro-choice people think. As you well know.

    Well, I don’t know – that’s why I asked. I figure you folks are a decent sampling of random athiest liberals. Really, the only ones I have access to. So I asked the question.

    Regarding abortion: If you’re gonna have a society, someone needs to draw the line between a glob of cells and a human being – so we’ll know who needs their privacy protected and who to charge for murder. Because globs have no rights, and humans deserve equal protection under the law.

    I don’t really see everyone agreeing on a line any time soon, even if COD’s wish comes true, and only women get to decide.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    June 8th, 2009
    at 4:14 pm

    a decent sampling of random atheist liberals.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! I believe we have the next tagline.

    So I asked the question.

    What question?


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 8th, 2009
    at 7:29 pm

    Daryl: What question?

    Whether we think the “line” for should extend to offing a baby up to a year after it’s born. But it wasn’t a real question, because even the woman who said it didn’t mean it literally.

    We have a Rod Steiger problem (failure to communicate) and that’s causing all our other critical problems imo.


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 8th, 2009
    at 7:44 pm

    Btw since we are drawing lines, Favorite Daughter’s current college classes suggest to me that I might have human-reality loving, god-as nature-and-science Deist inclinations, like many Founding Fathers (Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington) —


    Comment by
    dcobranchi
    June 8th, 2009
    at 9:46 pm

    I guess you were born abour 300 years too late and the wrong gender to be a Founding Father.

    But I’ve seen pictures of Ben Franklin in some pretty frilly clothes, so that gender thing my be in error. 🙂


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 9th, 2009
    at 12:21 am

    Long hair too! 😉


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    June 9th, 2009
    at 7:19 am

    Rob: I figure you folks are a decent sampling of random athiest liberals.

    Me: But how decent could we possibly be? 🙂

    Nance

    P.S. The link above graphs out the different places different people draw the line, Rob. It’s not a perfect exercise but it’s better than listening to crazed Moms standing in line with you.


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 9th, 2009
    at 9:48 am

    Rob, isn’t LIFE much more than LINE?

    For years we’ve had constant road work in progress around here and I spend time nearly every day idling on beautiful wooded canopy roads, watching various orange-vested crews interfere with traffic for the greater good, until we’re allowed to move forward again. The other day it was a survey team, planning the next big project I guess.

    How carefully calibrated each line they draw, not from memory or convenience, personal preference or blindly following some old book much less arm-wrestling each other to see who wins line-drawing rights today, but out in real time and space and topography, well-educated and purposeful professionals taking all views literally into account.

    I don’t sail but DH does. Triangulation in line-drawing applies not just in civil engineering but navigation — when “out to sea” you literally need to get your BEARINGS! On land or sea, you are literally lost if you just go by your, ahem, BASE. You have to be able to see, measure and rightly interpret ALL THE ANGLES. Literally!

    I thought of this little analogy myself, honest I did, but then Googling for a link to throw in, I discovered there’s nothing new under the sun and ancient wisdom had me beat by a few thousand years. Plato’s Socrates connects triangulation to human wisdom in line-drawing:

    So wisdom in this view, stands in relation to the other virtues in a way similar to the relation of triangulation to surveying and coastal navigation. There is no surveying or coastal navigation (of the relevant sorts) without triangulation; there is no courage or temperance without wisdom. . .

    . . .Socrates conceives of the virtuous person in a way that makes him or her like teh person who knows triangulation: he or she has wisdom — knowledge of good and evil — which he or she can apply in solving very different kinds of moral problems.

    (From Plato’s Socrates by Brickhouse & Smith, pgs 70-71.)


    Comment by
    don
    June 9th, 2009
    at 10:17 pm

    So to Rob, atheist liberals = people who are OK with pimping out our teenage kids and killing babies under 1 year old?

    And how are any of us random? OK, I admit JJ is random, but not the rest of us…


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 10th, 2009
    at 8:32 am

    😀

    I’m taking that as a compliment. . .


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    June 10th, 2009
    at 9:11 am

    Back to kids set up for “child sex abuse” in institutions, it’s not School any more than Church where such things happen.

    Here’s another random thread for Rob via Lynn as another atheist liberal (liberated from Saddleback evangelism.)

    It’s about Catholic priests crossing all the lines between good and evil, and one Catholic commenter wanting to dismiss systemic child sex abuse as: 1) none of our business 2) not the Church-mindset’s fault and 3) all better now, so never mind —


    Comment by
    don
    June 11th, 2009
    at 12:14 am

    Actually JJ, you’re more like a prism. Information goes in one way, and comes out in several different directions at the same time.


    Comment by
    JJ
    June 11th, 2009
    at 12:52 am

    Definitely taking THAT as a compliment, thanks Don.

    My quiet, courtly dad said I was on a white-knuckle trip through life. . .