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Well, what I’d like to see is more precise use of language when it comes to the discussions of evolution and creationism… when someone says they are an evolutionist, what do they really mean? If they mean they believe in “goo to you” evolution, then they believe in something that has very little scientific evidence. If they believe in “micro-evolution” – e.g., changes in finch beak sizes, then their beliefs are firmly supported by scientific experimentation, observation, etc… But, the biggest issue is that most text books used in the P schools are full of errors and mis-representations… A good place to start would be “Icons of Evolution.” Its a real eye opener.

Dave, I’m a Ph.D. molecular biologist. You’re full of crap. Don’t embarass yourself further- stick to subjects you understand something about. You can educate yourself at talkor...ns.org. Since I have just pointed you towards an excellent source of reliable scientific information, I will not respond further in this comment thread- save your typing fingers.

P.S. “Icons of Evolution” is a standing joke among actual scientists.

“goo to you” evolution – ha ha ha. I’d never heard of that.

This issue is a real hot button for Steve LaBonne, and I don’t know why. I think people can thoroughly accept and internalize evolution as a concept and still not be quite so passionate about it.

It’s a “hot button issue” for almost every life scientist. Watching the ignorant dispense misinformation about the core of one’s discipline would irritate any professional Try smugly informing your doctor that diseases are caused by an imbalance of the humors.

I was of the understanding that diseases were caused by evil spirits and that one should drive them into a passing herd of swine. Are you sure about the humors?

Steve, it isn’t a hot button issue for every life scientist the way it is for you. I’ve known many life scientists, Ph.D. and the whole nine yards, some atheists and some not, but none of them have ever reacted the way you do to the very mention of any challenge to the great God Evolution. You and I have had conversations about other issues on Joanne’s site so I’ve gotten a feel for the way you usually express yourself. Your comments about this subject are different than about everything else. On other subjects you might get a little irritable, but this: “Dave, I’m a Ph.D. molecular biologist. You’re full of crap.” smacks of hysteria. You appear to me to be terrified of the concept of a creator God, so terrified that you cannot allow yourself to contemplate it. You hold your Ph.D. in molecular biology in front of you like a shield. What is it? The idea that you might have to be accountable to someone for the way you live your life? You cannot possibly know that there is no God and evolution happened by itself. Science cannot tell you that. I will admit that if there is no creator God that will blow my worldview to smithereens, but I’m not telling anybody they’re full of crap. That’s because I don’t pretend to know everything; I don’t have to. You’ll probably cross me off your list for telling you this, but I think you need to have a long talk with yourself.

I do not have a PhD in any of the biological sciences, so I try not to be dogmatic either way when it comes to this topic. I find it very interesting that so many evolutionists like Steve respond to comments like mine with ad-hominem attacks. I have spent some time at talk origins, and I’ve gained some valuable insights there, but I am not convinced about many of the tenets and extrapolations that are being made. For interested readers, there are many PhD level scientists that are openly challenging aspects of evolution, and questioning the dogmatic way it is taught in the P schools. One is Lehigh University (I went there for my MS in engineering) prof Michael Behe. He wrote the book “Darwin’s Black Box” which is another eye opener. He’s sort of like the Martin Luther of biology!

PS – Don’t bucket me in w Ken Ham, I just think there are serious issues with how evolutionary theory and concepts are being taught. And, there is a documented history of errors and fraud in the primary examples that are cited to support evolution in the schools.