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  • KEEP IT CLEAN, FOLKS

    Filed at 6:05 am under by dcobranchi

    I understand NHELD’s fixation with the 10th Amendment. I’ve even exchanged emails with Deborah Stevenson over where the freedom to home educate originates. We’ve agreed to disagree. Fine. But why do they have to bring an irrelevant argument about the Constitution into an online petition opposing Section 522 of HR 1815? Telling Congress that they have no right to do what they obviously have done hundreds of times over is not how you win friends and influence legislation. A much better approach would have been to delete the entire first section. And the call for “REPEAL” of other bills, too. More irrelevancy.

    5 Responses to “KEEP IT CLEAN, FOLKS”


    Comment by
    Judy Aron
    December 1st, 2005
    at 8:21 am

    “why do they have to bring an irrelevant argument about the Constitution”?

    Because it isn’t irrelevant… and just because Congress has adopted unconstitutional legislation before does not mean that we should allow them to continue doing so.. or not raise our voices against them doing so. Unconstitutional laws have been taken off the books, and if we keep reminding our legislators what the Cosntitution says then perhaps they won’t make laws that are unconstitutional in the first place.

    Shall we allow these laws to continue being made because Congress has been making them? To do so would only give them carte blanche to continue stripping away our Constitutional rights and erode State’s rights. Believe what you wish Daryl, but this is at the crux of the argument, and HSLDA is taking full advantage of allowing Congress to make unconstitutional laws while Farris preaches the opposite in his Constitutional law classes. Hypocrites.

    Homeschoolers have no place in federal legislation anywhere at anytime for any reason! You can take that all the way to the Supreme Court, and it just might go there.

    Besides if the argument is not that the law is unconstitutional in the first place, then what is your argument against this legislation? Is it just that you don’t like it or it’s a bad idea? Come on, this is more about protecting State’s rights regarding education (10th amendment) than it is about Donald Rumsfeld defining what a homeschooler, or homeschool graduate is. If you don’t have the former in the first place then you will have the latter occur. He simply does not have that right to make that definition.


    Comment by
    Daryl
    December 1st, 2005
    at 8:40 am

    He simply does not have that right to make that definition.

    Of course he has the right to do that. Could Congress pass a law that said only high school g-school grads were eligible for the Army? There is no right to serve in the military. Congresss has the power (through the purse strings) to regulate it.

    Section 522 is bad law. It may be unconstitutional but Congress won’t buy that argument short of a SCOTUS decision. Your online petition is worse than useless as it makes y’all (and us) look like a bunch of cranks.

    Sorry. I’m opposed to 522 but won’t sign.


    Comment by
    Judy Aron
    December 1st, 2005
    at 9:48 am

    “When the president does it that means that it is not illegal.” Richard Nixon

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    “The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure.” – Albert Einstein

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    Thanks for the difference of opinion Daryl – it is what makes this country a good place.

    I have made my choice to tell Congress that they should not pass unconstitutional and harmful legislation… and I refuse be silent and allow the Secretary of Defense or any other federal entity to make decisions and definitions that are not theirs to make when it comes to home schooling as well as anything else. Regulating Education, more specifically in this case defining home school, is simply not a power of the federal government and I as a homeschooler am not under their jurisdiction to be defined or otherwise regulated, especially since I receive no federal funding to educate my children. That is the job and right of my state government, and I intend to send Congress that message whether they like it, or agree with it, or not, and I care not if you or anyone else think it makes me look like the very same “crank” that people depicted our principled and rebel forefathers of being. Period.


    Comment by
    Daryl
    December 1st, 2005
    at 9:54 am

    Well, what’s the goal, Judy? Is it to make a point or to stop 522? And which way, a “clean ” petition or yours, is more likely to achieve said goal?


    Comment by
    Judy Aron
    December 1st, 2005
    at 10:13 am

    Hopefully both..
    and there is nothing preventing you or anyone else from submitting your/their own version of this petition.. in fact if you rewrite it in way that would satisfy your objections I will sign yours too… NHELD encourages everyone to petition government against this legislation and its ilk.
    go to petiti...ne.com
    the more people that speak up to fight this in any way possible.. the better..