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    Filed at 6:15 pm under by dcobranchi

    I’m passing along these two links. Worth a read.

    11 Responses to “PER JJ’S REQUEST”


    Comment by
    Rob
    August 14th, 2008
    at 6:41 pm

    It’s always amazed me how people can be traveling in so may different directions, and growing and maturing spiritually along the way. Sometimes they’ll even encounter someone walking the exact opposite way and wave as they pass by.

    Something to consider: This lady struggled and finally forced herself to do a 180 and admit her beliefs to herself. We call that growth and maturing. When an athiest/agnostic does a 180 and admits belief in God, what do you call that?


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    August 14th, 2008
    at 7:37 pm

    When an athiest/agnostic does a 180 and admits belief in God, what do you call that?

    Sad? 🙂


    Comment by
    Nance Confer
    August 14th, 2008
    at 9:23 pm

    I would want to know what traumatic event happened.

    Nance


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    August 15th, 2008
    at 11:46 am

    I believe in the spirit of inquiry, not the spirit of indoctrination.

    For those of us to whom neither Schooling nor Testing looks like Education much less Salvation, the human mind is murky and instinctive enough even when we liberally educate it and consciously work hard try to keep it open and the oxygen circulating. Just think how dysfunctional it gets when we work hard to do the opposite!

    When any mind is taught one’s destiny is divinely predetermined by some huge, organized, well-funded recruiting authority (school or church, fight or flight, doesn’t matter) capturing you and putting you on its tax-subsidized mass transportation system,because all roads lead to the only place worth going, so you might as well climb aboard, lie back and enjoy it — well, that’s a detour from the sovereign spirit of human inquiry so contrived that we have a special four-letter word for it and it’s a felony.

    I see it as no less a crime inflicted on minds as on bodies.


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    August 15th, 2008
    at 11:50 am

    Let’s take a question like Rob’s for instance: seriously meant to champion the spirit of inquiry in all directions?


    Comment by
    speedwell
    August 15th, 2008
    at 4:44 pm

    “When an athiest[sic]/agnostic does a 180 and admits belief in God, what do you call that?”

    Well, when I became an atheist, it was a shedding of nonsense and lies and an unshakeable commitment to truth and reality. So what would you call the opposite of that?

    Can you really call something “growth” if it involves selling your freewill, morals, and intellect to a father figure? That’s not growth, it’s backwards development.

    Oh, and it’s so easy to tell who the theobots are by the fact that hardly a one of them can properly spell “atheist.”


    Comment by
    speedwell
    August 15th, 2008
    at 4:46 pm

    The rest of the things I’d call “that” are unfit to print.


    Comment by
    Lisa Giebitz
    August 15th, 2008
    at 5:19 pm

    You guys seem to have let others define the idea of “God” for you. Which is just sad to me, honestly.

    I believe there’s more than just us, a higher power, if you will. Not because it makes “sense” (in some ways yes, in some, no), but because I’ve experienced it twice in my life so far. I’ll be damned before I let someone else define those experiences for me. I realize not everyone has these experiences, and you know what? That’s fine. We’re all different, with different values and beliefs and life experiences and whatnot.

    What’s irritating to me, though, is that many assume that anyone who believes in God (or Tao, or a higher power, or whatever – but may even still call it “God” as well) is an immature person who just doesn’t want to think.

    And I agree, in a way: I think the kind of people who use God as a short-cut, no-thinking answer for everything have an infantile idea of God bore out of their own, well, lack of thought.

    But. Let’s not put all “believers” (Ugh, I dislike the connotations of that word…) in one boat, please.


    Comment by
    Daryl Cobranchi
    August 16th, 2008
    at 7:48 am

    I personally have nothing against folks who have sincere religious beliefs. Heck, I’m married (22 years!) to a believer.

    I would be interested, though, in hearing of your personal experiences.


    Comment by
    speedwell
    August 17th, 2008
    at 2:15 pm

    You guys seem to have let others define the idea of “God” for you. Which is just sad to me, honestly.

    Great. Wake me up when you come up with a proper, defensible working definition.


    Comment by
    JJ Ross
    August 17th, 2008
    at 8:28 pm

    Rob, CS Lewis did pretty much what you’re positing — and I love reading CS Lewis because he was thoughtful, literate, witty, nuanced, well-reasoned, intellectual, imaginative, introspective, etc.

    He was all those things as an atheist and then he was still all those things as a Christian believer. Is that any kind of answer to whatever you’re asking?